REVisions 2.01, May 24th, 1998

From: David Hathaway  
Subject: REVisions 2.01

long time no write....hello all...

It's that time again. Spring. Time to fly as much as humanly possible...So,
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:31:21 +0000 
Subject: Subscribe 
From: "Bob"  

I've read just about all of the previous mailings and like what I see. I am
very interested in being on your mailing list. I have yet to purchase a quad
as I've been only flying duals and am quite anxious to buy a Rev this
spring. I've seen them (Rev I's, single and stacked) fly in Erie, PA a
couple of years ago and feel head over heals in love. Just this past month
found lots of stuff about them. I live in Jersey Shore, PA (and yes that is
in the middle of Pennsylvania and nowhere near the Atlantic) and usually am
disappointed to go outside and find little wind on average. What kind of Rev
would suit these flying conditions? I am new to the quad scene and know
little or nothing about them but am extremely eager to know everything I
Bob Henninger


From: "St. Clair, Alex M."  
Subject: Old REV problems 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:59:09 -0700 


As a new subscriber to REVisions, I would like to thank you for offering
this.  I have gone through the archives and enjoy your site.  I do have
a couple of questions.

I live in a small town with an even smaller number of kite fliers.  I
purchased a used Rev I two years ago and just learned how to fly the
thing last summer.  I can control where in the window it flies but I am
not happy with the performance I've experienced so far.  The kite seems
pretty slow and when it is flying forward, in the direction of the
leading edge, the sail flaps in the wind as it flies.  As there are not
many people around here to learn from, I don't even know if this is
normal or not.  If I shortened the top lines a tiny bit, I think I could
see a small increase in speed.  Could the sail be stretched?

Since the kite was purchased used.  Quite used I will add, what should I
start to replace and check on?  Any advice you or the list could give me
will be greatly appreciated.

Where are we going and why am I in this hand basket?


(and, being that I whined at Penny when I was in Ocean Shores recently about a distinct
 lack of submissions to REVisions lately, she came thru with flying colors, so to speak...)

Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:56:43 -0700 
From: Penny & Steven Lingenfelter  
Subject: REVisions 

You want the Rev. to do what?  How do you do that?!

A good way to find out how to control your kite, whether it's an easy
move, a difficult move, or one you wish to create, is to  *  practice with just your handles!

If you push down on the top.. You know it's going to make those top
lines tense and bring it down.  If you push up with the bottoms, it's going to
tighten those lines and take it up.

Reverse across?  (remember your hands should be in a parallel position
just like your holding the kite, so one hand will be above the other
when it is flying on tip)  Rotate your wrist back (push your thumbs).

It's  a good idea to know how you did that,  not just to react.  Play
with your handles.. check out the cause and effect!   Studying moves,
creating moves, practicing your routine.  Your handles can make you a
better flyer!

Who can tell me?  :)
*Why do you need to row your handles while your pivoting?  Go check it
out on your handles.  I'd like to see some answers here in the next

Reverse Walk Up:
Facing 9:00   Hold top wing (right handle in this case) perfectly
still, while you put the required amount of pressure on the left wing to reverse it up.   (It may
need just a little reverse pressure on your thumbs, or it may be
swinging your arm physically around, depending on that wind.  Light
winds can call for some exaggerations.)  You've anticipated the kites
movement, so you've got the brakes ready, stop,  facing 3:00.
Again,  hold that top wing still!  Put pressure on that bottom handle,
reverse arch it around to 9:00 again.  Put on your brakes!  Your back facing 9:00.
You've taken your first steps.  :D

Try walking across, up, down, diagonal, or anywhere!  hold, reverse,
stop..  not so hard.  OK.. it's not going to be the first move you
learn, but you can learn it!

Wingtip Turns:
Same thing.. hold one handle still.. that means not enough pressure to
reverse it, that's to much/not to little pressure or it goes forward.. :(
hold one wingtip still, put forward on the other handle, around and
stop!   Yes!  A wingtip turn!

You want to do an ARCH?  You want that bottom wing to come up and
around.. OK move the handle up and around.

QUICK STOPS...  Thumbs down!, or throw your handles forward, or even,
thumbs down and step forward.. Those are just a few ways to stop it.

FUN MOVE to work on..  top of the window.. face 6:00,  go down, turn 360
right, and slide left.  Try this move with different turns and directions. :)  It's not
difficult, just practice.

Oh no!  I never get that!  :P     I'm lying big time!!!!  You don't have
to have line tangle, but if you do, here are a few tips to help you
through it.

1.  Give it to a friend to undo them.  :D  Hey, it could happen.
2.  Bad tangles, get a good movie, and undo one line at a time, or as
far into as you can get with one line, and then another.
3.  Little tangles,  connect the lines to your kite and to your
handles.. try to stake both     ends down.  Disconnect one line from
your handles.  Untangle that line and reconnect it to the handle.

Unconnect the other line on that handle and weave it out.  Untwist, and
tada! You've got lines again!   I find having them connected while I
untangle them is the easiest    for me.
4.  Remember - IT IS NEVER AS BAD AS IT LOOKS!!  Chant this while your
working on them.  It's true and can save your sanity.  j/kidding

Best Breezes.
Penny  rkd2/#kites

(editor's comments - I usually prefer the first method of dealing with line tangles...)

Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:00:16 -0700 
From: Penny & Steven Lingenfelter  
Subject: [Fwd: Rev indoor model] 

incase you want to use some of this.. like don't drill your indoor caps
:)  lol

Hi Paul,
Yes, I do fly the 1.5 Sul inside as much as possible.  Then I take it outside
and give lessons on it there, too!
I'm afraid Revolution doesn't make a model that is specifically indoor.  But,
the 1.5 is proficient enough to learn on, and beat the competition!

Take off all the protective caps.  The lightweight ones are underneath those.  I
fly without a bridle, except in high winds.  larks head straight through and
onto the caps..  (There is room in there even with the bundgee though it)
I have had some people drill another hole in the caps.  I certainly don't
recommend this if you plan on being on hardwood, or cement floors, as the caps
are the part of the kite that catches the most abuse.  Infact, those on hardwood
floors, should order extra's. ;)

This kite can do so many fun and wonderful moves inside.  It is spellbinding.
It is controllable, and becomes one with the flyer.  I can walk it, pivot,
slide, tips, all kinds of moves.  It just takes time and practice.  Give
yourself a goal of 100 hours and see what you want to do after that.  :)   You
won't want to quit!!

Outside.. yes, 10 ft. would be good.  6 ft.-  8 ft.- 10 ft.- 12 ft. -15 ft. all
are a little different.  10 ft.  is a good place to start.  There will be less
body movement, and  more arm movement. Longer than 15 ft.  you have 
to have a high ceiling!  or no wind, and be ready to walk around.
Have fun!    Just remember,  Don't pray for patience.. God will test you!  :)

Best Breezes,

Ps.. I'm sending a copy of this to REVisions, if you don't mind. :)

(editor's note : I like my drilled caps personally, but I do find I have to replace
the pig tails here and there...)

Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:01:41 -0700 
From: Penny & Steven Lingenfelter  
Subject: [Fwd: Supersonic ~A kite of it's own!] 

Ok, I told everyone.. "I don't need the Supersonic, or Shockwave.  I
LIKE  the challenge of control that the tips on the 1.5 (especially in
reverse) offer. I WAS WRONG!  I want it!

I flew Sharon Torres's brand new Supersonic last weekend.  It was
FANTASTIC!   I really didn't think I would be impressed at all.   I mean
speed, with a squirrely kite.. who needs that?!!   ME!!!   I need it!!

This kite is the Revolution 1.5 and the Revolution II mixed to
perfection.  It has the size (lets admit it, larger sizes are more

impressive in the sky)  and the stability of the 1.5 with the speed of
the II.  But that's not where it ends.

Sharon has been trying for several years to control some moves, like an
inverted slide circle.  That's the leading edge facing inside throughout
the full circle.
She found she could do it with the Supersonic!  Then to her amazement
she could do it with the 1.5.  Reverse on the 1.5 seems easier after
playing on the SS.  Guaranteed, these two kites will bring out the best
in each other, and make better flyers out of us all!

I know now what David H. meant when he said he liked to play equally
with both kites. NO kite has the personality like the classic Rev's!  The 1.5 can wiggle,
shiver, jump and jive. You just know it's up there and happy to be
alive. The SS doesn't have that personality~ yet.   It's stiffer with a great
"in your face" attitude all it's own.

I thought from everything I heard that  it wouldn't go slow as easily.
Wrong again!  It's speed IS controllable.  It goes slow beautifully!

The main difference I found, (besides going back to Rev. 1 handles
instead of SUL handles)  is the new cut on the tips will change your
pivots.  That just takes a little time to adjust to.  By  the end of the
day  my pivots were back on spot. So we will learn to compensate for
that area.

The SS is certainly not the kite for a beginner, unless they really
truly want the challenge.  But anyone who has a Rev. and can fly it,
will want this kite and should have it! :D

I usually recommend people have two Revolutions in their bag.  The 1.5
for indoor/outdoor flying, and a vented for high winds.  Now, I feel
compelled to say  three Rev's. Why?  because the Supersonic  *Does Not
take the place of the 1.5.. (try the SLE 1.5 or the Exp. 1.5)  And there
is not another kite out there like that  Supersonic!

Best Breezes,  Penny  rkd2/#kites

PS  I hadn't tried the Shockwave~~YET!


And me.

Personally, I like to travel with 8 Revs in my bag, but, hey, that's just me...

"A funny thing happened on the way to the Rev Store"

So, income tax season in Canada happens two weeks after it does in the states, and, for
many years, it has been a time that filled me with complete panic and dread. But, this
year was different, I even got some money back. So, in the usual tradition if "I have
some extra money", I decided on "yet another Rev". I pondered this every way possible,
up down, inverted, otherwise, and, in deciding between a 1.5 SLE and a Shockwave to
compliment my Supersonic, I reached the decision to get the 1.5 SLE. There were a pile
of reasons for this,  the main one being that I intend to compete on 1.5s this season,
and I wanted a second one. Also, the bridle on my "original flavor" 1.5 was worn out,
thus, in the tradition of "the ashtrays are full, I need a new car", off I went to
Kites and Puppets on Granville Island (see address info in the previous REVisions,
Sally says Hi! to you all).
Standing there in the store, I start looking through the plethora of Revs in stock.
Well, the only SLE in at the moment was a color combo I wasn't sure about. I am allergic
to Teal it seems, so the gold, purple teal one wasn't what I REALLY wanted, but, I looked
at it all setup and decided, hmm, it doesn't look too bad at all. Nice new Icarex sail,
which glistens nicely in the sun... While I am sorting through the kites, I notice a Shockwave
in the same colors, which I had previously seen a picture of on the Gone With The Wind site.
Very pretty kite, just lovely in that combination, teal or not... Now I have a dilemma, they
are both VERY lovely kites, and, well, I am nothing if not brutally efficient, I bought BOTH
of them, so as to have a matching set, as much as a 1.5SLE and a Shockwave could be called a
matching set. You be the judge, I have a side by side picture of them both in the REVisions
Gallery now...

What do I think of them?

1.5 SLE

We like this kite. While it requires a BIT more wind than a typical 1.5, it's a joy to fly
with the new ultra fat leading edge, giving it an apparent boost in precision abilities all
around. It stops better, handles better, and, as I mentioned earlier, the new Icarex sails
are gorgeous in the sun, it glistens much like any Icarex sail does. My only confusion is
that I am CONVINCED that I have a SS LE edge in it as I had to tie both LE bungies tighter
as it was fairly loose and floppy when I set it up. If I could get off my butt and take'em
apart, I'd know for sure, but, teh specs show that the SS LE is one inch shorter than the
1.5 SLE LE, so, that would be about right. I'll replace the 1.5 LE and simply have a spare
soon...  Currently the most likely kite you'll see my flying lately, I really like this one...


I had gone off my Supersonic a bit lately, usually flying a 1.5 pretty much all of the time,
mainly because I have this marked tendency to oversteer the SS like crazy. But, I figured,
well, that is just me, and, I do need a Shockwave as well...Right off the bat, nifty new
bag Rev guys...It comes with two pockets for line sets and misc. stuff, and is made of a nice
heavy bag material (which I do not know the name of) and it's nice. If Revolution has plans
to sell these bags separately, I'd certainly buy a few of them. But, back to the kite. As
I'll detail later, I went to Oecan Shores recently to fly with Penny and Sharon, and while
there, it was decided that the SS and SW are certainly teh Dennis Rodmans of Revs. In your
face, colorful and never dull, and that pretty much sums up my Shockwave impressions. The
Shockwave certainly has a heavier feel than the SS. With the SS, it's touch in "normal"
winds can be pretty light, which undoubtedly contributes to my oversteer madness, and the
Shockwave just simply feels "heavier" so I tend to have more success with it. Other than
that though, all the cool stuff I learned with the SS is doable with the Shockwave, and, I
think I like it a bit better. Certainly after watching Penny race around with her shiney new
SS, they can be as precise as a 1.5 and retain their speed characteristics. Get'em both...
and see for yourself.
As mentioned, I did do a trip down to Ocean Shores recently for what turned into a Rev
convention. Yes, at times, there were upwards of 10 Revs setup and ready to go between Sharon,
Penny, myself and others...The below is from my usual "web diary", it was more amusing than
what I had tried a few minutes ago, so in the efficieny of recycling...

In preparation for this upcoming summer stuff, I decided the time had come to visit "The Queen
Of Revolution", Penny. Her and her hubby and a few more pals were slated to be down at Ocean
Shores, Washington, for a weekend of flying, and I decided to join them down there. It's not
a great haul to get there, but, it's still a five hour drive. I like long drives. I load up
the CD player, set the cruise control, and motor away. The peacefulness allows me time to think,
uninterrupted by anything, ICQ, Email, cats, whatever, and allows for a certain focus to creep
into the labyrinthe that I call my "life" these days. So, think think think think think for
5 hours, it was blissful! Also, on my way down, I did have a quick stop in Seattle to meet
a web pal that I hadn't actually crossed paths with previously, and, well, that was postively
wonderful as well, although it did cost me about half an hour of time as I got lost in Seattle
upon leaving...there were a few reasons for the temporary monkey navigation blank out, but,
that is for another time and another muse. 

Where was I? Dang, did it again...ah yes, driving to Ocean Shores. Did I mention that the
weather was less than promising in Seattle? It never fails, every time I head to south
Washington beaches, it's brutally windy, to the tune of "unflyable", it rains cats and dogs
and buckets, and it's cold. So, seeing that it was raining in Seattle, I was somewhat less
than hopeful this trip would be any different than any other trip I had ever taken to that
area. Thankfully, I was rather pleasantly surprised. I arrived to find "SUN" and "WIND" and
nice people as well. How nice was it? Well, lets put it into perspective...I arrived at
2:00PM and flew non stop till 9:30PM when the sun finally died out. It was THAT nice out.
The wind was right around 10 miles an hour, which is my perfect "fly zone" where I don't have
to expend any energy worrying about keeping the kite aloft, and not too windy so that I am
spending large amounts of thought wondering where I will blow away to. 

So, by the time all of this flying stuff was over with, I was sore from head to toe. I could
barely move. Now, for those of you who are sitting there snickering, "what sort of out of shape
monkey are you anyways", thinking thoughts of just how non-energetic kite flying must be, all
I say is "try it some day". You spend hours upon hours controlling four lines, precisely with
your hands, arms, shoulders and legs (legs being a brace against blowing away, and, well,
moving around, it's not a stationary activity...). And, on top of being sore, I was utterly
famished as well. I am one of those people that can effectively forget all about eating at
times, and, well,the last bit of food that I had eaten was in Seattle for breakfast. So, it
was off to find a campground and off to find some food. Food was non-eventful, but, eminently
satisfying. And, again, as always, "biscuits and gravy" were on the menu. Let it be known that
I am not a big fan of the whole "camping" thing. It always rains when I camp. And, coffee is a
hassle. But, finances being poor at the moment, I had no choice, it was camp or nothing. So,
I prepared this time...Got some canned ice coffee. Brought stuff to sleep in the car with,
thus if it rained, I'd be dry anyways. Prepared right? Those of you who know me well just
collectively said "RIGHT" in your head, and, well, you would not be far off...I figured that
if I folded down the rear seats of the Supra, there'd be PLENTY of room to get a nice comfy
sleep! HAH! BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! As if. Perhaps if I was about six inches shorter. Maybe I should
have measured both me and the "proposed" sleeping area first? Perhaps noticed that when the
seats fold down, they leave a nasty hump, right around the middle of my back? remembered that
I had 8 kites, a large duffle bag, jumper cables, boots, and various other piles of junk in
the back of the monkey-mobile? nah, any of that would have required 5 minutes of foresight,
something which I have proven that I am somewhat lacking in...So, after waking up feeling about
10 times more sore than when I went to bed, I have adopted the following rules for sleeping
arrangements : 

   1.If it is not big enough to swing a cat around in, it's probably too small for a comfortable sleep. 

   2.If it is too small to even HAVE a cat in there with you, it IS too small and you will rue the day                                 you ever fell asleep in that place. 

So, yeah, I hurt a LOT on sunday morning. never again, hotel next time. Why is it that I have to
learn life lessons over and over again? Am I just as stupid as I look? (shut up, I don't wanna
hear it...). And, the rest of the day was merely filled with some more flying, albeit somewhat
sore flying. The point behind all of this flying, besides the obvious fun of doing so, was to
get a fix on where I was in relation to other flyers. I am in a wierd position in Vancouver, I
am the only "regular" Rev flyer at the park where I typically fly, which, in turn makes me a
bit isolated. There are two sides to this coin...first, I won't end up flying like anyone, I
have no other "styles" to absorb and and mimic, I fly like "me". This is a feature. But, on
the other hand, I have no feeling for where I sit in regards to other Rev flyers, no idea where
my weaknesses are and no clue as to various other methods of "doing things". So, the trip was
meant to act as a touchstone with regards to technique. Penny was a woman that I met at World
Cup last year, and she floored me at that point with her indoor flying of a Rev 1.5. She was
a major supporter of REVisions from day one, and has been a real help in my flying in general,
but, I had never managed to escape down south to spend a day flying with her and her husband
Steve, and see what her outdoor flying was like. So, that was accomplished, and I have come
back with a few different feelings. I was at least partially humbled, as I was beginning to
think I was PRETTY DAMN HOT with a Rev, and, well, hey, I'm not bad, but, I am certainly not
at "Masters" level yet. I was very happy, because I now know where I have some weaknesses to
be dealt with. I could stop a bit more accurately for starts, and, in particular, stopping
at "6:00" usually sends me off to some other direction, quickly, embarassingly so. And, I
came back excited, because we managed to get some work on a "team" flying type of arrangement
as well. Oh, I came back sore too, but, I whined about that above, so I'll spare you further
whining. It was a great trip, I needed that break.  

And, on one final note, I did meet another Rev flyer in Vancouver (past my friend Fritz, hi Fritz)
 recently, and, I did my good deed of the day. When we met, we talked, we flew, we had fun, and
 then he moved off a bit so we could have lots of room. I was watching while I was flying and
 I noticed he was getting MIGHTY close to the trees...A few minutes later, I noticed that Peter
 was gone, and, well, teh Rev was still in there air. "Neat trick" I though to myself, he flys
 so well, he doesn't even have to be there. Well, no, the Rev was stuck in the tree, about 30-40
 feet up. Peter had wandered off to his car to get something to help him with this. So, I walked
 over, and, well, Peter is a bit older than I am,. and wieghs a bit more as well, but, he is
 bound and determined to climb this tree to rescue his Rev. An understandable feeling...But,
 being that I am much lighter and younger and, well, usually called "monkey-boy" by all who
 know me, I did the good thing and scrambled up the tree and rescued his Rev for him....

And on that happy note, au revoir for now, and send in submissions for next time. Also,
excuse the lateness in this mailing, but, as I insinuate above, life has been a really
busy place lately...
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